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Hi Jim thanks for answering my questions.Yeah you're right makes perfect sense that DV had to stop Vikor helping the aliens and setting him up was the only way he could do it.I wasn't expecting that ending was a good one though,maybe im too used to those other 60's Sci Fi shows like Lost in Space where they always let Dr Smith back on the ship after he'd sold them out to an alien lol.
Hi again Jim (managed to get back earlier than expected!)
Thanks for that long listing of ex-Invaders cast still involved in acting - Suzanne Pleshette's name conspicuous by it's absence, especially as I've seen her in a few films dated as recently as the mid (-to-late?) nineties. I have to confess the striptease in "The Mutation" still leaves me overcome with emulsion - especially that final "kick" as she exits at the very end, enough to leave a very lasting impression on a poor innocent little 11-year-old kid! The aliens certainly did their homework on how to make the female form alluring!!!! She was also a joy to behold in "The Pursued, of course. Is she still around?
Also, thanks for reminding me (I think you already mentioned in an older posting) that the delightful Susan Oliver also met with an untimely early demise - she was indeed a 'babe', with the loveliest eyes. If there's no convenient website URL, I'll gladly take you up on your kind offer of further biog onfo on her....
And finally, apart from the items of of interest I found on the sites of Anne Francis and Peter Mark Richman, it was especialy pleasing to see how kind the years appear to have been to both of them (appearance-wise, at least). Both got good scripts in their Invaders episodes - I especially liked Anne's contribution to "The Saucer", her banter with Charles Drake was woven superbly into the plot.
Hi again Jim
Afterthought from my previous posting - any current info on Don Gordon and Lynda Day from "The Trial"?
Hi Alan Lewis
First-off, thanks for the tip about the VHS recordings available on e-bay - I take it that they're no longer available commercially, then ??????
As for "Vikor", I could neither watch nor tape Channel 5 Sunday morning's screening due to an unforeseen stop-over in London on Saturday, so I watched my old 1990 BBC2 tape-recording. And I agree - can't get over seeing Jack Lord going a whole 50 minutes without once saying "Book him Danno!"
As you rightly point-out, the alien being regenerated in "Vikor" shows-up a human skeleton, yet this is totally at odds with the images of our friends Wilhelm von Homburg in "The Labyrinth" and Don Dubbins in "The Captive". Indeed, the comments passed about the x-rays in the the former were "there's no skeletal bone structure at all....".
The only 'get-out' excuse I could offer the producers would be that the regeneration tubes would need to have a pre-programmed fundamental framework from which to model the hard inflexible points on the alien human shell which are consistent with bone - e.g. knuckles, elbow, knee, skull. The best "framework" from which to base the juxtaposition of those points within the exterior covering of flesh and skin would be a human skeleton, I guess....
Lord God above - what AM I rambling-on about?????? :o#). Put it down to old age?
Regarding the recent post about trans-sexuals. The original post, and the "offensive" post were actually from the exact same computer. Neither came from Phil Forster. This has nothing to do with the Invaders, and is therefore "off topic". Please do not respond to this message, or continue this discussion on this board.
Hey Phil, I left out Suzie P on the list
because it seems that she has given up acting to spend time with her new husband of the past 2 or 3 years, actor Tom Poston--he was a frequent guest on The Bob Newhart Show of course....I am glad to see that 'the above incident' doesn't bother you too much, you Brits are indeed very polite and forgiving about that sort of thing, as you might say..Me--I'd want to get a baseball bat and whomp the bejeebers out of anyone who would pass themself off as me--be it on this site or anything else. That's my Brooklyn upbringing speaking... To answer your question, Don Gordon--an all-time favorite actor of mine turned 77 last Nov 13th..He played a guy that age on the TZ as 'Salvadore Ross' but of course is best remembered in 'Bullitt' and 'Papillon'..Born in Los Angeles...As for Lynda Day--she was born Dec 1944 in San Marcos, Texas (near Austin)..Not acting any more to my knowledge, though I admit that I didn't check imdb for her latest acting credits for this reply..She of course was later married to Christopher George (of 'The Rat Patrol' and 'The Immortal')
and went by Lynda Day-George until his early death...As for THE TRIAL, as I have said before and will say again, the town where 'the trial' takes place is called both "Lincoln City" AND "Jackson City" in the episode.....Ask away Phil, glad to reply with the info.
Thanks Richard.
Likewise Richard, many thanks.
Roy was born in Chicago on April 6, 1938.
In THE IVY CURTAIN you'll get to see a close-up of his California drivers' license--which list his eyes as brown!!! And it also lists his height as 5'9" but the aliens program it as 5'11' into their computers.
Hi Ruediger
Thanks again for all the info - you definitely carry the "Jim factor" for Germany!!!!
So, the 1969 TV pictures I saw on the website of Norbert Grupe must have been from that 'infamous' TV appearance. I haven't yet had time to read through all the German text, but will attempt to do so when I get some more spare time (whenever that may be!!!!).
So, I guess the answer to my question about the spoken German in The Invaders episode "The Condemned" is "don't know" because you never saw that episode - right?
All the best for now, be in touch.
Back again.Re the skeleton bit in Vikor i noticed another thing ;-in the regeneration witnessed by the telephone lineman the skeletons eyes are actually LIT UP as if they are light bulbs!What the hell was that all about?Jim, heres a question to test your knowledge-the regeneration tubes were erm,"borrowed" from another show where [if i remember rightly] they were filled with liqud and glowed green.What was the name of that show?Phil i doubt if the commercial tapes are still available but Tesco.com has 7 tapes "in stock" in 2000 and "out of stock" the same year.Nice touch in "Vikor"-Mrs Vikor "They keep themselves well hidden".David Vincent "you"ve seen them around the plant,they have a sort of mutated fourth finger".Her drunken mind suddenly realises that she had noticed the fingers and wondered about them! Great Stuff.
Hi Phil,
I've only just noticed your reply to my 'Sausage' post. Glad that someone is reading your stuff. You get a bit paranoid when you post a note and no one pays any referance to it!!
Hi Alan,
you picked out a great bit in your post about ViKOR! Also i thought that DV comes out with an absolute classic when his retort to Vikor was 'no , your just gonna sell out the human race'.!! You can't really beat that can you.
And another thing,
In Vikor we saw aliens in need of regeneration and as in the beachead camper van couple scene where DV goes back to challenge the couple's account of what happened the night before, we see aliens holding their hands up to their faces with a red glowing light coming obviously from a hidden light source in their gloves! I can't remember seeing this in any other episode. Am i correct?
VIKOR - have you made the connection of the character name -VIKOR? (Hint: think the Pope!) His title is "VICAR of Christ." I may be pushing it a bit (or maybe not), but VIKOR (the name) can imply "agent" or one who hands down the keys of the (alien) kingdom! For all you Invader fans from England, "vicar" (taken from the latin) is a word used in the Church of England, "ecclesiastical agent." Now does that sound like our Mr. Vikor?
Another clever name - Mr. Nexes, a "nexes" is a "casual link", a "connection" best described as "one seen as a substitute or an agent."
Obviously, someone did their homework when they came up with the names of the episodes!
-Markymark
Tuesday, August 17th, 2004!! There will be a landing in Laguna Hill, California! I will be there with my digital camera. OK - you "Belivers" out there, be sure to watch, "The Innocents" and check out where DV arrives when he experiences "a few moments of unplesant unconsciousness!" (I will send you, shall we say, proof that the Santa Margareta Valley DOES exist!)
Hi Jamie
Thanks for the acknowledgement. Personally, I try to log-on to this site every day, although I miss-out most week-ends because for some reason I can't access this chat-page via my home PC (ISP=AOL) - although I CAN access the rest of the site! It can sometimes require a bit of dedicated effort to read ALL the postings, but they're usually worth it!
On which subject, our ever-dependable friend Jim has already covered the "Glow" effect on the alien faces as they hold gloved hands to their faces - I'm not sure when, but I reckon you'll find them among the most recent postings on the "Archived" Message page....
Cheers for now.
Alan Lewis: Thanks for the tip about the videotapes. I don't so much need to buy them, but to be able to copy "Beachhead", The Innocent", "Condition: Red" (complete version) and "Dark Outpost" from either the commercial videos or someone's (near perfect) copy from the TV would be great. I wouldn't trust the "snail-mail" postal service, so it would have to take the form of a personal hand-over - which I guess limits the scope to dealing with UK residents only.
Ruediger: I have another friend in Cologne and visit there occasionally - I'd like to meet you when I'm next over there, are you up for it?
MarkyMark: EXTREMELY well-observed regarding all the names in "Vikor" - scholarly stuff, make no mistake!
Hi Jamie, as Phil said,
I mentioned the 'glow' effect and the gloves and long sleeved-shirts in my posting of "notes on VIKOR" last Thursday-USA/Friday-UK..Only in this episode and BEACHHEAD do we ever see this scenario, as you surmised.
Hey markymark,
I see you are doing your research too! Much appreciated on the info.
Hello again Robert, some alien actors did show emotions
but hey, they're only human!!..I gather that you are not only a new poster on the site--but that you are also seeing the episodes for the first time...I realize that in many postings--myself included--there are references to 'future' episodes to be shown on Channel 5 in The UK that many posters have never seen..So what I am saying is that you can feel free to ask
me any question even if I have probably answered it in the past..I have no problem with it!
Feel free to ask away!..I have no problem with re-answering anything and am always awaiting the questions that get me to stop and ponder!....By the way, in VIKOR Alfred Ryder was "Mr Nexus", as called by Jack Lord, making one wonder if it was a first name or surname..I guarantee you--we will never know!
Robert again, remember too that George Vikor was willing
to allow the aliens to kill his own wife Sherry (Diana Hyland) so do you think that he would give a 'hamster-fart' about the rest of our "precious human race"..? David Vincent did the right thing by letting the aliens 'disk' Jack Lord--who gives THE best-ever 'disk-death' of the entire series!..Bookem Danno Baxter!
Hi again Jim, also Robert!
Regarding the alien's occasional 'slippage' into displaying emotions, I think we must draw a line of sorts between the 'deeper' type of emotions such as compassion, love and hate, and the more elemental 'reactions' such as a mild expression of pleasure (rather than excitement or unbounded joy) when they observe something to their obvious satisfaction, or of annoyance (rather than outright anger or frustration) when somthing goes wrong. There are of course occasions where an alien (other than Suzanne Pleshette in "The Mutation" or "The Pursued", of course) strays into the realms of "deeper" expressions of emotion, but otherwise I think they get it mostly right.
In particular, the sly, smug and ever-so-slightly evil grin when they think they've got an intended 'target' (be it David or otherwise) by the "short and curlies" is especially appropriate.
As regards the names, as pointed-put before by Jim and myself, the aliens often get credited with first AND last names - whether or not they get quoted in the episode ('Steve Gibbs' played by Tim McIntire in "Genesis" and 'Nick Baxter' played by Robert Walker in "Panic"). For theis reason it's safe to assume the leader "Mr.Nexus" had a first name also, Likewise Mr.Magnus (Michael Rennie) in "The Innocent".
Question - is Alfred Ryder's alien leader character also called "Nexus" in "The Ransom" and "The Peacemaker"? If so, I'm a little surprised Michael Rennie's character didn't also take the name "Magnus" in "Summit Meeting" (instead of Per Alquist, a scandinavian name).
Food for thought?
Hi Phil, Alfred Ryder (Jan 5,1919-Apr16,1995)-"Mr Nexus"--
is called "The Leader" in THE RANSOM--"There is no equivalent"---and in THE PEACEMAKER in ACT IV he is in what could be called a "war-room" when DV bursts in and calls him "Ryder"
(!)..He is also wearing a pinky-ring, if I recall--I could of course re-re-watch it again
to confirm but that is the way I remember it.
German fans - you want "THE INVADERS" on DVD? Then write to PARAMOUNT PICTURES. So far the series is not officially released on DVD. Certainly there are private offers, but the optimal DVD edition with the restored series and informative special features is not available, not yet. "The Invaders" is listed on the Paramount website under "Spelling / Worldvision": http://www.paramount.com/filmcliplicensing/libraries.htm#sw
This email: homevideo@pde.paramount.com has been mentioned on the Invaders chatboards. Perhaps a conventional letter is "more urgent" than an email, the address is:
Paramount Pictures / Home Entertainment / 5555 Melrose Avenue / Hollywood, CA 90038-3197 / USA
The postage for the standard letter via airmail from Germany in the United States comes to 1, 50 Euro. If you want to have the series on DVD, then write Paramount and demand the "ultimate" DVD release of THE INVADERS.
Phil, once more,
No use trying to figure out why one character name doesn't carry through into another episode, a la Alfred Ryder and Michael Rennie...Writers for a series come and go..But here's one to dwell on--in THE RANSOM, Alfred Ryder as 'The Leader' is told by Anthony Eisley (Bob Torin) about the murder of his
wife Mary Torin in the previous episode THE BELIEVERS and 'The Leader" says that 'yes, he read a report on it'..
While on Melrose Ave in L.A, go to Pinks' Chili Dogs!
my above posting relevant to Rudigers' latest!
No doubt about it, Roy Thinnes
and all the other Invaders actors/actresses stopped by Pink's on Melrose, very close to the studios..This is the most famous hot-dog stand in Hollywood with 65 years of celebs there.
www.pinkshollywood.com
Gruss Dich noch 'mal Ruediger!
Thanks for yet another comprehensive guide on how to write-in to Paramount to request a DVD release - this time for "German Fans". However, it isn't necessary to especially mention "German" fans, as your message is surely 'universal' - i.e. everyone should sit up and take notice! In fact, it is a good reminder to me as I haven't yet contacted Paramount at all - either by e-mail or letter :o(
Following-up an earlier thread about the flying saucers and their missing shadows....
A week or so back, I whipped-up a veritable storm of interest by pointing-put how none of the saucers produced a shadow when landed in broad daylight. The saucer image was of course a fake, super-imposed upon the actual film with only the landing-gear being real (which cast a shadow, albeit too small for the saucer itself). I lamented that a full-sized saucer "prop" hadn't been built for the stationary scenes, which surely should have been the case.
However, on looking at the saucer shot at the end of "The Life Seekers" with Diana Muldaur approaching it in the foreground, I noticed that it cast what appeared to be a full saucer-sized shadow. The saucer image is of course still a fake one, but I wonder - is the background scenery also fake (it looks it to me!)????
Awaiting the deluge.... :o)
Assuming nobody gets my question about the first appearance of the regeneration tubes, it was in the movie "This Island Earth" where the Metalunans had abducted two scientists to help them repair their defences against the enemy world Zhagon.To protect the humans against the strain of hyperlight travel they were put into clear tubes although i can"t remember whether they had the skeletal ribs of the Invaders tubes.As for the saucer not casting a shadow, you could say that it had a cloaking system able to bend light.In "The Saucer" it lands out of a deep blue sky and when it is idling on the ground it is still the same deep blue!
In 'The Ivy Curtain (ep. #11) the newly-arrived aliens are told that they will learn how to emulate or represent emotions, so perhaps this is the justification for most of the alien 'feelings' that we see, Suzanne Pleshette in two episodes notwithstanding.
As far as alien names are concerned, possibly those of the four most sinister characters were Nexus in 'Vikor', Magnus in 'The Innocent', Taugus in 'Wall of Crystal' and Arius in 'Condition: Red'. Maybe QM writers ran out of names effectively ending in '-us'! I never quite understood why Alfred Ryder could not be called Nexus in his later episodes, for the sake of a bit of continuity - something of a weak link in The Invaders, in my opinion; surely it was a big mistake on the part of Roy T. to address him as Ryder in 'The Peacemaker'? Perhaps they hadn't time to re-shoot that particular scene!
Names of Aliens - since I read Phil's post, I decided to do a little "research" on the other alien names used in the episodes. I discovered a few interesting facts. Vikor, Nexus and Arius are all based on the study of theology. As I mentioned, Vikor is "one seen as an agent" hence, e.g. the pope as vicar of Christ. Nexus means "a link" a connection. Mr. Nexus was a connector from society to humanity. MAGNUS was a German philosopher and theologian who introduced natural sciences to Christianity in the 1200's. Magnus, (The Innocents" developed a way to bring water and fertilization to a barren Santa Margerita Valley! TAUGUS is a river in Spain. It is important geographically because it is a connector channeling water to another destination. And lastly, ARIUS, a Greek theologian whose teaching were regarded as heresy (Council of Trent) because he stated, "God is unknowning" and that "Christ was created."
Notice the alien reaction to finding a St. Christopher's medal (protector of travellers) in "The Leeches!" Theology (the study of God) is something very foreign and the reaction is often sarcasism or viewed as useless.
The episodes that I find that refer to religion or God are:
1. The Experiment (an alien minister)
2. The Mutation (Rosario, a mexican village named after, "The Rosary"
3. Genesis (the first book of the Bible)
4. Vikor (a human working as an alien agent)
5. The Innocents (Magnus a scientist and theologian)
6. Storm (A Catholic priest and church)
7. Panic (alien exclaims, "For the love of God, Mister)
8. Moonshot (For the love of God)
9. Valley of the Shadow (Episode title taken from, Psalm 23)
10. The Trial (swear on the Bible)
11. The Spores (Creation, a society or race coming from seeds)
12. The Prophet (Evangelist is an alien)
13. The Believers (title suggests faith)
14. The Miracle (miraculous vision, a nun in full habit)
The title, "Mother of God" was used in episode, but I don't remember which one?
OK - you guys got me going, now, Let us PREY!!!
-Markymark
PS - Can you find more references to religion or theology?
Dear Markymark: 'THE LEECHES': "TWO MEN, WITH THEIR EYES ON THE HEAVENS". Lindsay
Markymark, I believe it's in THE SAUCER
when Phil Bonning (actor Robert Knapp) sees an alien fry in the car
that the phrase "Mother Of God" is uttered.
Hello again Alan,
I did mention "This Island Earth" several days ago in a letter to Taugus, I'd have gotten it! Yes one thinks of The Invaders when viewing that film.
Taugus, you've forgotten about
"Dorkus" (no joke) played by B.G. Atwater in THE ORGANIZATION, and to me he was far more menacing as an alien than Mort Mills as Arius in CONDITION RED..If I remember my Bible stuff, 'Dorcas' was a woman who sewed. I only know this because I met a gal with that name 20 years ago in Berkeley, California and never met one with that moniker before or since.
Taugus, other menacing aliens (IMHO)
are (actor name only) 1.Wesley Addy in DOOMSDAY MINUS ONE--quiet but subtle menace. Makes a comment "your precious world.." similar to the ones I mentioned this week. 2- Murray Hamilton in THE CONDEMNED--always making threats.
3--Sandy Kenyon in THE SAUCER--Says the classic and memorable Invaders line--"THAT belongs to US!" Has no time or patience with DV and will kill anyone in his way. 4 Gene Lyons in THE ENEMY--no patience and ready to kill..5-Gene Hackman in THE SPORES--same as Lyons and with the same sense of urgency that he brought to "The French Connection"..6--Whit Bissell in DARK OUTPOST--always making threats...7-Michael Rennie in SUMMIT MEETING 1&2--quiet menace but not shy about shooting it out.
might have mixed up to Taugus or Markymark--it's the beer! But
this IS 'booze-net chat page' as seen directly below!..Anyway, you've both mentioned the 'alien' names so my reply to Taugus is for you too Markymark, as you guys probably figured out! my best, jim
Alan Lewis: Please excuse the lack of a response from me regarding the prescence of alien-like tubes in "This Island Earth" - I never saw the film so couldn't really comment. Re. The Saucers' lack of shadows, the light refraction 'cloak' was referred-to as early as "The Mutation", but it didn't occur to me that this could provide yet another "get-out" explanation for an apparent production blooper (I've postulated a couple already). Good thinking!!!!
Jamie: Likewise re. your 'Roy and The Sausages' theory, I responded as it was me who recalled the incident (reported in a mag called Silver Screen ca.April 1967). The lack of response from other quarters was in all liklihood that none of our esteemed chums on this chat-page had any knowledge of this, and hence had no comment to make.
Jim, Markymark, Alan, Jamie, Taugus, Lindsay - all good stuff regarding the names, leaves me quite in awe of your scholarly leanings which "leaves me for dead"! My two penn'orth (or two cents worth) would be to echo Taugus' sentiment that Alfred Ryder could (and IMHO should) have been given the name 'Nexus' in "The Ransom" and "The Peacemaker" for continuity. Likewise Michael Rennie, who could at least have been leader "Magnus" using the alias "Per Alquist" for the sake of striking-up the relationship with the scandinavian lead character who arranged the summit (whose name I currently forget, despite having watched it recently).
By the way, I also think a specific scandinavian nationality could and should have been nominated for all concerned in this episode (included the summit venue) - certainly the names would have been either Danish, Norwegian or Swedish (but NOT Finnish).
Personally, I think Michael Rennie made the perfect Alien 'leader' - even better (dare I suggest it) than the excellent Alfred Ryder. Equally strong character portrayal but taller and more imposing, he was of course brilliant as 'Klaatu' in "The Day The Earth Stood Still".
Ah - Jim!!!!
Once again, I compile an "omnibus" message only to find you've posted in the meantime. I would have made reference to your last three if I'd read them first, make no mistake - in particular regarding the expanded appraisalk of the alien leader character actors.
I didn't wasn't to sell any of the other leader characters short, most were of course damned good but I do have a particular regard for Rennie, and near as damned for Ryder. I must confess I'm surprised Whit Bissel wasn't used in more than one episode, as he also has that 'authoritative' air about him (in tandem with a natural flair for playing the good ol' traditional all-American gentleman, of course - remember him in "The Time Tunnel" and "The Time Machine"?).
Also, thanks for the off-list post - I'll reply in full on Thursday evening UK time (staying at the mother-in-law's in London with the wife tonight).
Phil, Whit Bissell by the way
(b.Oct 1909-d.March 1996) is directly related to the founders of the Bissell Vacuum Cleaner
Company..He is in IOTBS depending on which version of that film that you see--it also features at least 6 other Invaders actors/actresses. John Zaremba--also of 'The Time Tunnel'
was also in Invaders episodes THE WATCHERS and LABYRINTH...Bissell is perhaps best known for his classic line in 'I Was A Teenage Frankenstein'--he says to Michael Landon--"Answer me! I know you have a civil tongue in your head, I sewed it in there myself"!
with apologies to Phil,
on second thought might have been Robert Knapp as "Joe" Bonning (not Phil Bonning as I previously stated) in THE SAUCER..
Phil, that was "Premier Halvorsen"
in SUMMIT MEETING 1&2, played by Eduard Franz-(b.Oct 1902 d.Feb 1983) and he was born in
Wisconsin, USA..
Jim - hi again!
Thanks for the extra info on Whit Bissell. Co-incidentally, you've already answered a couple of questions I was going to come back with. Firstly I was going to ask if he was still alive, and second I was going to ask in a 'round-about-way' about a possible link to the Bissell vacuum cleaner dynasty (I was going to phrase it by way of a joke - "Does he have a brother called 'Bex'?").
No pressure, but could you fill me in sometime about the action I miss on my 'cut' version on "Condition: Red"? See my posting (now on the Archive page) dated Thursday 5th August 5:06 pm U.K. time, where I describe the action either side of the missing "chunk". Taugus had earlier confirmed (Tuesday 3rd August 8:04 pm U.K. time) he knew of a UK fan who'd tape-recorded it from the same showing and noticed the same "cut" scenes.
Many thanks in advance, as and when convenient to you....
Jim, and finally (for now at least - MUST get back to work!)....
Thanks for the prompt about the character Premier Halvorsen played by Eduard Franz in "Summit Meeting" - having remembered Michael Rennie's character, I should have remembered that!!!!
Cheers for now.
Diana Muldaur of THE LIFE SEEKERS
born August 19, 1938 and her brother Geoff the former husband of "Midnight At The Oasis" singer Maria Muldaur.
Hi Phil,
Looks like I anticipated what you and others might ask before-hand on Whit Bissell and perhaps on 'Muldaur' too with my latest posting!..As for what you seek to know on CONDITION RED--as I've said before it is at times difficult to figure out what you see and what you do not see in your episodes comparable to mine--I am fully aware now that there are definitely some cuts that you UK viewers are not seeing/not aware of..Just do not know where to begin but will give it 'the old college try' (U of Arizona) and see what I can come up with..Meanwhile, I'm outta here for tonight/this morning for now! regards, jim
I think the makers of the Invaders deliberately told the actors playing the Invaders to display some emotions in certain scenes.I find it hard to believe that they would make the same mistake on so many numerous occasions over & over again especially on something as fundamental to the show as the aliens personality.I think the Invaders have some emotions that humans do but maybe like Phil has suggested they don't feel certain emotions as deeply as humans but I am pretty convinced they have them though from the episodes i've seen so far on Channel 5.
I think if the makers of The Invaders wanted the aliens to be emotionless they would have told the actors that's how they wanted them to play them.I don't think the high caliber actors who appeared in the Invaders would have had any problem playing the part of an Invader without displaying emotions in fact I think they would have found that fairly easy.
I think the emotions the Invaders don't have according to what Vikki from The Mutation said about her people is love and compassion,they don't love or care about each other in their society not even about their own family members and life and death means nothing to them.Vikki said that was the the difference between her and the other Invaders she never said they had no emotions at all.Other than that I think they have some of the same emotions as humans although maybe some emotions to a lesser degree than humans as Phil said.
I'd be intrested to know if there's any later episodes I haven't seen yet in which it is categorically stated that the aliens have no emotions at all.
Hi Robert
Thanks for expanding upon the theme of alien emotions or lack of them - you make some perfectly logical and (I believe valid) points.
As you say, it would have been a piece of cake for the chosen actors & actresses to have played completely 'deadpan' characters. However, it stands to reason that the aliens in human form would need to have a degree of 'humanity' about them in order to infiltrate society - many of them have jobs, and even (albeit as surrogates) integrate into families. If they all behaved like robots they would stick out like sore thumbs, and those they came into contact with would quickly smell a rat - with one of the most surefire outcomes being that they would be subject to physiological examination (and certainly have their pulses taken!).
I SHOULD know this for sure, but I'm fairly certain, it IS "categorically stated" on a few occasions that the aliens have "no emotions", or "no feelings". Up to a point this is of course true by human standards, but let's not forget there are and have been plenty of humans past and present as heartless and compassionless as the aliens, and a damned sight worse in terms of gratuitiously evil behaviour!
Thanks for your thoughts Robert, much appreciated. Keep on watching (recording?) the Channel 5 broadcasts - I hope that the detail from all episodes that myself, Jim and others occasionally refer to doesn't spoil your viewing.
Hi Robert,
I think the aliens act like humans but don't FEEL human emotions and this i believe is the key to the question you are asking. Although able to exibit emotional tendancy's like smiling etc i would imagine the programme's makers would have told you that it was just to appear human and that they didn't really FEEL inside any emotion.
I'm still searching out that tunnel in the opening in ACT I of "Condition Red." I know of one similiar in Leighton, Pennsylvania which tunnels through the mountains enroute to Allentown, via the Pennsylvania turnpike. (I doubt they would have gone to Pennsylvania in order to shoot that scene!)I will keep looking and inquiring in southern California.
Tuesday, August 17th - there will be a landing in the Santa Margerita Valley!
Phil,thanks for acknowledging my point about the saucer shadow.Someone a while back said the SFX looked "shoddy".Well compared to todays they may be [although i have never seen a CGI eefect yet that was remotely convincing] but heres an example of the attention to detail.In "Beachead" Vincent discovers his first regeneration tubes and when he approaches them they light up and begin to move,so we know they are automatic.In "Vikor" after the two aliens are regenerated they walk out of the tubes but the gear doesn"t stop pulsating until they are out of range of its sensors! In other words, although hardly anyone would notice they did it anyway.Thats attention to detail.By the way Congressman Bonning in "The Saucer" got fried with the rest of them.Also in "The Saucer" Vincent takes a Perspsex board out of the control panel and when you see it close up it is clearly a printed circuit.Correct me if i am wrong but i didn"t think there were printed circuits in 1967?
Hi,
Is there any way of letting Roy Thinnes know about how much interest there still is in him and The Invaders. I'm sure if he knew about this site he would contemplate possibly contributing in some way. Pehaps Mark Phillips (the author of the excellent contributed article on this site) could find a way of contacting him? just an idea....I'd love to ask him a few questions. If i could ask just one it would be would he reprise his roll as David Vincent if asked?
Hey, Guys!! Has anyone heard from Craig lately? I,m worried because he hasn't updated his weekly and semi-weekly Invaders actor profile and episode title for the upcoming Sunday Morning on his website, and the change is way past due. I hope he is doing okay. Please check and see if he is alright. Lindsay.
ive sent several e mails to craig but havent heard back from him which is strange cause hes usually quick to reply to any questions
Hi Phil and Jamie,
I understand what you mean when you say the Invaders have to appear like humans in front of humans and show human emotions in order to infiltrate human society and not to draw attention to themselves that makes perfect sense.
What I was referring to though are the scenes specifically when they have no reason to imitate human emotions for instance in Vikor when Mr Nexus is in the room by himself and he smiles smugly to himself and also in The Experiment when they have DV captive in Maryland and the Invader says to him "sorry you didn't get a chance to finish your meal" before they take him off to put him in the brain altering machine.Why would he bother saying that to Vincent? Why would he express regret? regret is an emotion and DV knew he was an alien Invader so it wasn't like he was pretending in order to make Vincent think he was human he had no reason to express regret to DV in that situation.
One possible reason i've thought of is that because they are pretending to be human all the time they just get into the habit and get totally into character like actors say happens to them sometimes that when they come home they find themselves still acting like their character.Also maybe when they act like humans even when alone or it isn't really necessary is that it is their way of staying in character for when there are humans about.
Hello, again!! Is Mark Phillips a close friend of Craig's? Or anyone else you may know? If Craig is unable to send any messages because of adversity, would it be good to contact Mark to find out how Craig is if he doesn't respond soon? Lindsay
Good point, concerning the aliens might or might not have emotions. Perhaps also that the alien in 'THE EXPERIMENT' also simply said: "Sorry that you could'nt finish your meal", simply for the sake of saying something to communicate to DV, without really "Feeling Sorry" in the true sense of the word. Even we casually say "sorry", without the emotional implications that the word would really mean. I think the alien meant it only casually. Lindsay
Markymark,
I've been through The Lehighton Tunnel--no that's definitely not it! And it's not the one
Warren Beatty crashes his bicycle in in "Heaven Can Wait"..Hmm..
Hi Robert,
I think your last posting regarding the emotions topic is probably spot on.
After all if they are taught certain reactions they could possibly find it difficult to 'Switch off'. I'm sure we will carry on making excuses up for the show until the day we die but it's definately deserving of it!
Hi Jamie, Lindsay, Robert
I think Robert's awoken a number of questions that I've harboured ever since seeing the series back in the 60's, namely how far are the aliens 'conditioned' to behave like humans. All points made by you fine fellows duly noted, I think we're all prestty much on the right lines with no contradictions - great stuff.
I would only add that my initial reaction to seeing aliens either speaking amongst themselves, or how they behave when alone (e.g. Nexus and his smug smile, and you'll notice other examples throughout the series) was - why don't they talk to each other in their 'native' language - to prevent being overheard and someone 'rumbling' their plans? Why do they address each other in their 'human' names, rather than their 'real' names from back home? And when alone, would they revert to any form of 'inhuman' behaviour pattern?
In each case, the answer is simple - they simply have to BE human as much as possible otherwise they would arouse too much suspicion. Hence the names - in their human form, they only take a definitive (i.e. no 'aliases') human name which will consist of at least a Christian and surname (whether or not both are heard or credited in the program) although we never hear of any 'middle' names. Also they only ever communicate in the native language of their adopted earth 'country' - to be overheard talking some inintelligible gobbledegook (although that never did Stanley Unwin any harm!) would be a greater risk than being overheard discussing their plans in (for instance) English, the meaning of which can in any case be easily disguised.
In "The Condemned" we hear aliens relaying rendezvous instructions in Russian, French, German and 'Queens' English, yet I would bet on the German (at least) also speaking reasonable but heavily accented English, and the Englishmen a smattering of 'pigeon' French or German!?!?!? Similarly, one assumes the 'Scandinavian' alien Per Alquist (Michael Rennie) in "Summit Meeting" spoke a 'native' tongue (Swedish, Norwegian or Danish) as well as English, like most educated scandinavians do! Likewise, notice that although the aliens need 'regeneration', they also need to eat and drink like humans - and many smoke too, even when alone (see the alien boffin in "Doomsday Minus One"). I'm not sure if any are seen partaking of alcohol (I'd imagine there's one or two examples), although I don't think we ever see one "under the influence"....
Food for thought?
Alan:
Well-spotted on your observation about the regeneration tubes - an excellent example of attention to detail that will have passed many viewers by (myself included!) but which deserves due credit. The saucer effect is usually OK, only occasionally falling below standard (as in "Counter-attack"). I exclude the missing shadows, a potential 'get-out' for which could be the light-refraction cloaking effect from "The Mutation" - although as I stated earlier the saucer at the end of "The Life Seekers" seems to cast a shadow OK but the background scenery appears fake (?). By the way, what do you mean by "CGI"?
Jamie:
I have an idea I saw a 'contact' e-mail address for Roy on a web-site I visited recently, although I wouldn't bet on it! Whichever site it was, I got it from this one - possibly in a contribution from Ruediger? Whether or not my suspicions are proved correct, I'm sure if anyone knows how to contact Roy, it'll be Jim (or maybe Ruediger)? Either way, I wouldn't mind betting that atrocious 1995 two-parter will have put Roy off reprising the David Vincent role ever again !?!?!?
By the way, I'm now calling myself just "Phil", at least until Phil Matthews re-appears (he could of course be on holiday, as indeed could Craig?). Likewise, wither our friend Mick Duvall?
Hi alan,
Actually 'Joe Bonning'--Robert Knapp (B.Feb 1924d.May 2001 also of MOONSHOT) plays a "State Assemblyman" (no State mentioned) which is a lot lower on the food chain in politics than a Congressman. Yes I have noticed the printed circuit too--guess all one can say is that they did have them back then.
Jim, Alan
Regarding the printed circuits on that 'perspex plate' removed from the saucer - we may not have had them deployed by 1967, but the idea would in all probability have been put forward. And wouldn't that be an ideal plausible example of what was supposed to be the aliens' 'advanced' technology?
Whatever, as I've pointed-out before, the sophistication in their 'advanced' technology is occasionally absent - witness those two humungous handles the alien had to push alternately back and forth to operate the brain-drain device in "The Leeches".
Phil, "CGI" is the commonly used abbbreviation for Computer Generated Imagery which as the name explains the cheap [and often nasty]special effect plastered all over modern Sci Fi films like cheap wallpaper.Since the human eye cannot be fooled CGI never looks convincing but its what we are stuck with now.Re the printed circuit the point i was making was that in 1967 the idea of a printed circuit was so advanced that the average viewer wouldn"t have known what it was supposed to be let alone realised how advanced it was.The guy who designed that prop really knew his job!
I was running out the door the other day and my eye caught a GEICO commercial. It featured a man outside a TUNNEL and from what I observed it was in southern California somewhere. Watch out for this commercial. Could it be? hmm??
Remember: This Tuesday evidence of the alien presence will be posted on your computers
(I'm like a kid again with this project! I can't wait to share it with you all!!)
Taugus; I cannot send you email because your address is incomplete. I would be happy to send you some pictures from "The Innocents" on Tuesday. Please let me know?
Mark
I was wondering about something in the episode, "The Mutation?" When the aliens enter the home of the hispanic couple (act IV) the woman becomes hysterical and one of the aliens strikes at her neck between his thumb and second finger. She then becomes silent and moves to the bedroom where her and her husband are locked in. My thought on this is that this manuever was used because the discs had not yet appeared in episodes I or II. Also, the couple was not killed. Why? (My guess is that killing a couple as they appeared would have been too "gruesome" for tv since "Vickie" was killed.) DV refered to Vickie as have been "destroyed" not murdured or killed as he explained to Fellows. What do you all think? Also, I don't recall seeing this manuever of "silencing hysterical people" ever used again.
hey there markymark,
On your above posting on 'the sleeper hold' (or thereabouts) in THE MUTATION--I'll have to
re-re-watch that scene again and will get back to you on it..
Notes on NIGHTMARE--with a nod to
Phil for requesting it from me off-site..1--Takes place in 'Grady, Kansas'--no such town..Kansas is essentially a flat state but in the opening one can briefly see Los Angeles mountains appearing over the shed..2-Kathleen Widdoes b. March 1939 in Delaware, USA..One more 'hysterical woman' in a QMP--and Invaders episode--(often a recurring theme)-besides Carol Rossen and Laura Devon...She and alien Diane Baker of BEACHHEAD were both in the 1996 movie "Courage Under Fire"..3--The older alien with the grey beard in the opening played by William 'Bill' Challee--b.April 1904 d.March 1989..Played the father of Jack Nicholson in
"Five Easy Pieces" (which also starred Karen Black of THE RANSOM)..He was a veteran of 3 episodes of TAOS and one TZ, very durable character actor.4-Third gem by Director Paul Wendkos..5--James Callahan b.Oct 1930 still acting to this day..Comes off far more menacing here than in his return in LABYRINTH..5..Robert Emhardt--'Mr Ames'--born July 1916 Indianapolis d.Dec 1994--original mayor of 'Mayberry"..6--Jeanette Nolan b.Dec 1911 d.June 1998 in Montana--'Miss Havergill', an alien woman waittress who screams in the cafe fight scene. Also the mother of Tim McIntire of GENESIS and DARK OUTPOST..7--This is the first but not the last episode wherein DV suffers a gunshot wound..8--An actual map of Kansas is shown in a close-up--compared to what I have previously mentioned about a discrepancy about
maps re: THE LIFE SEEKERS..9--Remember, and pass this on to your children and grandkids--
"Butterflies have no teeth!"..10--DV drives a car with an orange steering-wheel and obvious rear-screen-projection..11--Note the fake blood stain on his arm when DV enters the washroom..(Cafe guy played by veteran character actor John Harmon bJune 1905 d.Aug 6, 1985).
12--DV calls the operator for "The State Police"..Like in VIKOR, there are no "State Police " in Kansas, they are the Kansas Highway Patrol..The cop he talks to on the pay-phone is Wayne Heffley b.July 15, 1927 and also a cop in VALLEY OF THE SHADOW..He says-quote-"Well Mr Vincent, that really isn't in our jurisdiction"..Be it "State Police " or "Highway Patrol", it's ALL in their jurisdiction within the confines of the state!!!. It
is in fact a felony charge against a cop for failing to investigate any serious crime when requested to do so..13--If Robert Emhardt seems like a 'country-lawyer', that's what he once was!..14--Supposedly "Grady Kansas" has a population of over 5,000 people from the opening narrative..I can tell you now that ANY city/town/village in The USA that has that many people has its' own police department..Note no "Grady Police" on the scene, just 'Gabbard"..The law enforcement term "Constable" is a real one but generally here in the USA is used in terms of a very small isolated town with one lawman..Any place in the USA that has 5,000+ folks has its' own police department involving way more cops than shown! (And NO constables!)..15--When Bill Challee walks out to shoow DV with his low-guage end-over-end shotgun we hear the classic Invaders music-riff that lets us know something bad is afoot! 16--Note that when DV judo-kicks the alien cop, the gun flies back and almost hits the camera..17--Blood spot on the left shoulder of DV has changed in size from ACT 3..;
18--Obviously in the finale of ACT IV they couldn't come up with a realistic scenario for insect devourment of an alien so it is left up to our imagination..(Sorry to spoil!) But some great fight scenes by Roy!. 18--Silo explosion kinda hokey..19--This episode features 8 from The TZ--Challee, Harmon, Nolan, Heffley, Emhardt, Callahan, Irene Tedrow, and Logan Field--which is also the name of the airport in Boston..3 more were on TAOS--Harmon, Heffley and Challee, all in about 3 episode apiece..20--Do I do my homework or what?
Notes on the above--
on #15, meant to spell the word as "Shoot" and spell another on #15 as "gauge"..And I incorrectly spelled 'fluoroscope' in a recent posting too.
Hi again Alan,
yes, computer generated images were unknown in the 1960s and 70s..Might interest you to know that the same folks who did The Invaders special FX--Howard/Darrell A. Anderson--also
among many other things were responsible for the lightning bolts etc that sometimes were in the opening scenes of 'The Addams Family'..
Markymark,
Once more from me to you--great to see you not only back here but other days besides Monday too!.Thankfully the politix are over! You know what I mean...Check my above notes for NIGHTMARE, if you have it on tape--do you see the L.A. mtns I am referring to in the opening?..To me looks like it was filmed around Lancaster, or somewhere north of LA or else in The Imperial Valley east of LA..Any comments?.. your friend, jim
Hi Everyone: Does anybody have any information where i can get invader tapes. Does anyone know if the series will be out on DVD?.........Any info would be grateful
Hi does anyone know where i can get invaders VHS tapes or if the seires will be out on DVD.
Any info would be appreciated
Eddie hi there ,regarding your request for VHS tapes well they are like goldust ,if your living in Britian the series is currently being shown on sunday mornings at 4:10 on CH 5 ,some people on here might be able to sort you out with cds ,hope that helps
As I reiterate from NIGHTMARE note #9--
If you didn't bother to read the notes, or did, just remember this--"butterflies have no teeth"!!
cant belive it ,slept in this morning missing the episode arghhhhh !!!!! which one was shown and what happens in the episode ?
NIGHTMARE--one more episode wherein David Vincent
in the year 2004 would have a cellular phone, no looking in the pockets of his ever-present jacket for a dime and also finding an un-vandalized pay phone!..Consider in the episodes you see/have seen how much 'human' technology has progressed since these great Invaders shows, which are forever frozen in time 1966-1968....A recent poster asked about Roy reprising his role as DV in the 90s--he did!..Look to imdb and you shall see...Roy is now
66 years old, virtually all the fight/action scenes would have to be done by a stuntman in any other re-make..By no means am I casting aspersions on the physical fitness of Roy--no way!-..I'm pointing out that it's rather sad that Roy is past his Hollywood personae as 'an action hero'..So to answer whoever asked that question about his 'comeback'--alas, it ain't gonna happen!
Barry/Baz, in reply, you only need look north of here.
So Barry/Baz, am I to understand that
you do not know what the order of the episodes are?..I will assume that as they are being shown "across the pond" in The UK they are being shown in the order that seems to be the correct one..So with NIGHTMARE this weekend shown to the UK, you can expect your next 2 episodes to be in order--DOOMSDAY MINUS ONE, QUANTITY UNKNOWN, and so on--.And I shall try and provide "notes-on" for them.. your friend, jim
hi there! can anyone tell me where i can get a copy of the invaders on DVD (or VHS) as i remember enjoying watching them on a sunday years ago? thanks!
so what happened in NIGHTMARE?
barry--uh, the aliens try to take over the world--
this time using insects--and are thwarted by David Vincent.
Hi Jim, hope you had an OK week-end. Likewise, greetings to one and all....
First-off - Jim, thanks for your exhaustive research into and observations on "Nightmare". Never one of my favourite episodes, as a Brit with negligible local knowledge of the USA, it was nonetheless a true "eye-opener" to learn about the fictitious nature of the town setting, the surrounding scenery and in particular the individual and collective titles and responsibilities of the local and "state" police - especially as determined by the town's population.
And this was probably the most naff (= "hokey"?) episode for SFX - those inanimate (carnivorous!) butterflies advancing on and then retreating from the slab of meat in the cage were hopelessly unconvincing. Regarding their lack of teeth, this obviuously makes the plot one of the most far-fetched of the entire series, although a plausible get-out could possibly have been that the 'magic powder' covering the meat reacted with the butterflies' digestive saliva to instantly 'dissolve' it for assimilation (similar to Geoff Goldblum's in "The Fly").
Equally poor was the off-camera incineration of the alien killed by the marauding insects (a total cop-out), also the silo explosion as you pointed-out - the alien-patented incineration effect would have been more appropriate (as used in "Wall of Crystal").
The consolation being - the quality of subsequent episodes definitely improves (IMHO of course)!
Hi again Jim
The recent posting you refer to enquiring about the possibility of Roy reprising the David Vincent role was in fact from our friend Jamie - who also queried the idea of contacting Roy. I replied last Friday, mentioning that I recalled a 'contact' e-mail address for Roy on a web-site I visited recently, which I got hold of directly or indirectly via this one - possibly from Ruediger?. I also suggested that either you or Ruediger may be the best authorities on the subject of contacting him.
I added that the atrocious 1995 two-parter would probably have put Roy off reprising the role for good!?!?!?
Having already made reference to the original posting, would you care to comment on either of my points?
Barry
Asking for a run-down of an entire episode is a bit of a tall order, and much as I'd like to I'm afraid I can't spare the time needed to describe it all in even the barest minimum of required detail.
Sadly, there's also no review to speak of on the episode listing on this website. Your best bet is to try to make contact with another fan by phone and have them describe it to you (although short of recording it you won't then be able to refer back to remind yourself). However, you may also be able to get hold of someone's DIY video recording before long, so it's probably not worth spoiling it for you (sorry if this sounds like a bit of a cop-out, but it's the best I can do!).
Jim's "got it in one" so to speak, and for my part I can't say it's one of the most exciting or intriguing of episodes....
Hi Eddie
Regarding your earlier posting about VHS tape and DVD avaiability (so good, you asked it twice! :o)), following-on from Barry's reply I would say your only real hope will be a loan or copy of someone's 'private' DIY recordings - mostly VHS, although I believe some have copied them to DVD.
An 'official' DVD release from Paramount has been discussed by many of us at different times on this chatpage, with Ruediger (from Germany) at the forefront of the campaign to get them released with the "Special Edition" treatment (comprehensive digital sound and vision re-mastering, full-length version of the first 'pilot' episode, extra/out-take footage, interviews with Roy Thinnes and the main surviving players in the creation and production process). However, so far we have no indication from any reliable source that any such 'official' DVD release is planned, although we're all crossing our fingers and "watching this space"....
If you want to contribute to the "petitioning" process, check-out Ruediger's most recent posting on the subject dated 10th August (2:52 p.m. UK time) on the "Archive Chat Message" page. I personally haven't done so yet myself (shame on me), but will do so soon!
Hey Phil, thanx for reading and commenting on my "notes"!
Hello again Phil,
by "hokey='naff'" yes you were on the right track there--that special effects shot of the silo
being destroyed looked like a school project for teen-agers..Very much on the cheap from
the Anderson Company (Howard A. and Darrell)..Not the best of episodes, nor the worst, but good music if nothing else..But they obviously cut corners in production costs on that one.
Hi barry,
I just add the notes and bloopers /bios etc..which hopefully other posters will enjoy when viewing the episode(s)..I don't actually describe the episode from start-to-finish and will just continue doing it the way that I do...As Phil said, perhaps you can find a friend to show you that episode missed by you..cheers, jim
Just a thought....I used to visit this site a lot until a couple of years ago until it was messed up by a couple of outsiders who have now [thankfully] been excluded.From time to time a name crops up [never to be seen again] asking if DVDs are available even though every page includes a message saying they are not."Is it possible" that these people are in fact Spammers or Webcam owners who are just looking for new addresses?Luckily my PC has a Firewall which is a cross between Fort Knox and Hadrians Wall so i don"t get any of this crap any more! Anyway, by my reckoning the next really great episode is "The Ivy Curtain" and it should be on in 4 weeks.The opening scene with the alien on the airplane is worth staying awake till 04.20 to see it!
Hello!
Jim, Phil, Alan, Taugus, Lindsay, Robert, Jaime, Barry & Eddie, (anyone else?) Do I have permission to send you pix from "The Innocents?" I will be in Laguna Hills tomorrow (Tuesday) and I will look for the sites where part of the episode was filmed. If you give me the ok, I will send the pix to your home email since there is no place to post them here. Any suggestions?
David, "They're here!"
Markymark
Dear friends, hello
On this site of the Russian newspaper "Pravda" (in english), comes put on line today this Monday August 16, 2004, these courageous declarations of l'Astronaute Russian Vladimir Kovalenok in connection with the UFO...
It states to have seen itself an UFO and denounces the untrue remarks on this subject!...
And I think at episod of "Invaders" n° 15 "Monnshot", l'Astronaute...
Sincerely,
Christian Macé
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/13760_astronaut.html
shame that some people are so paranoid like Alan! anyone that wants a copy of the first series on dvd - they're for sale on ebay. i wouldn't mind winning them myself :-)
Hey Markymark, speaking for myself only,
Yes I would very much enjoy receiving those photos! Thanx, your friend jim
Hi Phil,
It's here-and-there about contacting Roy, in response to a very-recent posting by you..I've met MANY famous people--Jimmy Carter, Jackie Onassis, Mick Jagger, among 50 or more others that everyone has heard of..In 1992 I wrote a mere fan letter to Dawn Wells of DARK OUTPOST (and of course 'Maryann')---I saw her fan club address via slo-mo on the VCR when she was on a tabloid tv segment of "where are they now?"..Wrote to that address expecting nothing, but in fact Ms. Wells not only wrote me back a letter but included a personally signed
8X10 'Glossy'..And I've met Kevin McCarthy of THE WATCHERS, those are my 2 Invaders personal links...Anyway, getting back to it all, in this modern age of computers and being able to find the whereabouts of many people--it was posted a while ago that Roy was in Memphis, Tennessee (looking for Elvis?-d.27 yrs ago yesterday) and listed a street address.
The validity of the info is uncertain and stale by now..If I REALLY wanted to, I most likely would be able to provide updated info as to where Roy is right now...But will not, with all due respect to his privacy.
Phil, and to add to the above about Roy-
If I didn't make it clear---Roy was always a hero of mine and it has always been my wish to
meet him...Most of the famous people that I ever met I met as a NYC taxi driver, with some exceptions...It would have been /will be a wish-come-true to actually meet him in person...And with him as the 'guest speaker' in Roswell last July 2003--had I known, I'd have made the 2-day drive just to meet him..
Hi again Jim
With regard to the enquiry about contacting Roy, lest we forget it originated from a posting by Jamie, to which I responded on Thursday 12th August 10:58 UK Time - currently the oldest posting on the "Main Chat Messages" page. However, looking back into previous messages on the "Archive" Page I notice the most recent is dated 11th August and I can't seem to find Jamie's original. Could it be we're missing the one or more postings which immediately preceded mine on 12th August - at 10:58, I'm sure mine wasn't the first one that day?
It WAS you, wasn't it Jamie? I recall your enquiry about contacting Roy was with a view to letting him know about the continuing amount of interest in the show, and to find out whether he might be tempted to reprise the David Vincent role. Well, (as Jim will no doubt confirm) I'm pretty sure Roy is well aware! And, as I said in my first response, I'd be surprised if he hadn't got cold feet about playing David Vincent again after those two appalling up-to-date episodes from 1995.
To Christian Mace:
I think I speak for other regular contributors to his chat-page when I say "welcome" - however, with all due respect to your admirable efforts to communicate with us, I don't understand what you are trying to say. More detail please....
Hi again Phil,
On your latest posting to me--half of it was to Jamie too, therefore I can't/won't get involved in secondary responses. your friend, jim
To all regular contributors:
Regarding Dav's response to Alan Lewis about DVD availability - another "wind-up", or does e-bay tell a different story (haven't got time to check for myself)?
Hi again Jim
Thanks for the reply, totally cool and stands to reason. However, have you any idea whether and to what extent Roy is aware of interest in the show?
Cheers, Phil
Hi MarkyMark
Thanks for the offer of the photos relating to "The Innocent" - remind me what they actually consist of (actual shots of locations where the episode was shot?).
Either way - count me in!
Dav, This is an open forum so you are free to call me paranoid if you wish.Personally i am not in the business of insulting people whom i don"t know so i will point out the following; #a] The internet tends to bring out the worst in people so Spam,Webcams etc are a reality not a paranoid delusion.#b] The rights to The Invaders are corporate property and the series has never been published on DVD, with only a small number of official VHS tapes.Therefore any other DVDs or tapes are bootlegs and it is illegal to buy,sell,copy or exchange them as the legal warning at the start of the Worldvision videos states.If and when the series is available on official DVD i will be first in the queue but until then i will have to tape it from Channel 5--this is legal if its "for my own use".
Hi Jim, Phil and everyone else,
I would love to ask Roy directly if he would reprise his role as David Vincent in The Invaders. I don't suppose he would be the all action hero he was in the sixties but so what! He could possibly have a younger sidekick to help him.
I just get the feelingf that the part he played as DV was SPECIAL to him and i'm sure he still thinks about it a lot. To have affected a generation the way it did and to still today enjoy trhis kind of response is something really really special. When i saw Roy as David Vincent again in the mini series as i have said before i was totally moved by it and it almost brought a tear to my eye..............
Dear friends, hello
In my preceding e-mail, I established a link between the UFO of the Invaders and this recent courageous declaration on the UFO of this Russian Astronaut!
Like David Vincent, this Astronaut denounces the established censure on this subject...
Personally, that made 35 years that I studie the UFO in France...
Sincerely,
Christian Macé
Hi, Jim!! Thanks for the scoop on Cleveland-born actors in "THE INVADERS". I certainly was pleasantly surprised to have read that Burgess Merideth was a Clevelander!! Officer Joe Nash, or his actor, rather, born in Columbus. Well, at least he is an Ohioan, if not a Clevelander. Lindsay
Mr. Rudiger: Where and how, pray-tell, can I sign the petition to get Paramount to release the 43 episodes of the series onto DVD? I want to do something, and be in on it, and a part of it!!!! Thanks!! Lindsay and company.
Hi Jim, Phil and Lindsay!
Check youe email. Anyone else who would like pix containing a building and sites used in the episode, "The Innocents" please email me.
Mark
markymark, Thanx for the great on-site photos!
your friend, jim
RiFi, Thanx--and you know why.--my best, jim
Hello Rudiger,
I was perusing some past-postings and I noticed that on March 24th you and I were talking about the 'then-alive' Marlon Brando..He owned Tetiaroa, an island in Tahiti, and was a ham-radio enthusiast who went by the short-wave alias of "Martin Brandeaux"..Perhaps he had some Invaders tapes on his island to re-watch and enjoy!
Hi Christian Macy
Merci beaucoup pour le reponse - je comprends bien!
I agree with your comments about the Pravda web-page article - the astronaut Vladimir Kovalenok deserves praise indeed for speaking-out like that, very brave. It's a shame he didn't manage at least one photograph of the UFO in question - before it "exploded" into two parts (I think is how its described?) - or even, afterwards. He missed a golden opportunity to provide something tangible to support his story, as well as giving ammunition for his critics.
But what about all those other articles about crashed UFO's and alien bodies found in Russia? What's the 'official' line on those? Are they taken seriously by UFO experts worldwide?
Salutations Christian!
Hi Dav
I would only echo the comments made by Alan Lewis - in however light a vein you may have intended it (I hope), to call him paranoid is unacceptable and totally out of keeping with the way we communicate on this chatpage forum. As Alan states, any Invaders DVD's advertised on E-bay or anywhere else are bootlegs and should not be traded.
That said, good luck to you if you manage to get hold of them (and I hope they're good-quality!)....
Hi MarkyMark
Thanks for the e-mails - good on ya mate! For reasons not worth going into here, I won't be able to pick them up until Friday, so I'll reply to you directly Saturday or Sunday after I've had a good look at them.
Hi Jamie
Thanks for re-iterating what you mentioned in a previous posting. I would agree that when I first saw Roy in the 1995 show I felt a surge of sentiment (although stopping short of 'bringing a tear to my eye'). However, Roy's appearance was all-to-brief and insignificant in the course of the overall program. I was particularly annoyed at all the unnecessary and time-wasting scenes which distracted from the plot (such as it was). For example, where two of the main characters are in David Vincent's house going-over some of his memorabilia, but he's not there! Likewise, the ridiculous scene at the beginning of the second part where that guy (Scott Bakula?) just drives his van around aimlessly in a 'fit of pique' inside the big warehouse - simply pathetic! If Roy is even half as critical of what can best be described as an insult to the memory of the original series, I'd imagine he'll think twice about doing it ever again!
That said, I would welcome a DECENT follow-up (film, two- or three-parter, mini-series, whatever) that made NO reference at all to the 1995 show, and which (like you suggest) could be based-upon David Vincent in a more authoritative role like that of Edgar Scoville in the original series, working with some younger side-kicks. Perhaps produced by Chris Carter in the style of The X-files (as near as we're likely to get to the 'feel' of the originals)? If you have any firm ideas you'd like to put to Roy himself, I'm sure that could be arranged but I'm afraid I can't help, but don't let that put you off!
Whatever, if done properly and with every effort made to be true to the original series, it may bury the ghost of that awful mistake (let's call it an "abberation") from 1995....
Hi Lindsay
Regarding your posting to Ruediger about a "petition", I assume you picked-up on my reference to Ruediger's efforts in "the petitioning process" when responding to an earlier posting about the possibility of a DVD release.
I must emphasise that Ruediger has made no claim to organising any sort of "petition" as such. I was merely referring the the excellent advice he has provided on at least two or three postings to this chatpage on how to contact Paramount on the subject. And, as I readily admitted, it's high time I acted on it myself!
I imagine Ruediger's on holiday/vacation as we speak, as we've heard nothing from him for a while. I'm tempted to mail him off-list, not least as I'd like to meet the guy when I'm next over in Cologne....
"ENVAHISSEURS" GENERATIONS...
The hero of the 43 episodes, David Vincent, knows that the INVADERS are there, that the insidious invasion started... They are based in the land population... They infiltrated the police force, the army, industry, the media... They are everywhere!
Roy Thinnes, alias David Vincent, were born on April 6, 1938 in Chicago.
He was pilot of an appearance of UFO, a strange light above the Pacific, which reported at the time (1969) stores it of television French " Tele 7 days".
Roy will marry with Lynn Loring, known at the time of the episode 14, entitled "Panique".
It will come to make a small stay in Paris, for the first time, in October 1987. Here an extract of what into known as "Télé Star" (other stores television French) of October 26, 1987:
" ... the actor does not hide that it passes much from time to occupy itself of his three children who live in his house of Venice, in Los Angeles. Leslie (24 years), Christopher (18 years) and Casie (11 years), which it had of his first wife which it divorced in good terms. As it hates the celibacy, it found happiness with Katherine Smythes. This splendid 28 year old young woman, originating in Minnesota, dancer-actress, could become his wife soon. Ambiguous response of Roy Thinnes: "Peut-to be, but let us wait a little... That depends on the "Envahisseurs". ".
The daily newspaper French "Libération" appeared Saturday October 17, 1987, will publish an interview of Roy Thinnes, realized by Marie Colmant and Anna Muir. Extaits of the interview:
" Libé. - Etes you invited to conventions on the UFO? R.T. - Yes, I go there regularly. Libé. - do These phenomena really interest you? R.T. - At the beginning, I was skeptic. Gradually, the serious scientists and all people who are interested in these phenomena made me become aware and convinced me that it occurs certain things in another world. Ca makes you laugh, but it is very possible. Libé. - You must thus like film of Spielberg Rencontres of the third type? R.T. - It is a sign of hope. One can contact people of another world in a peaceful way. What I deplore, it is the silence of the government and the American army. Why do they refuse to discuss these phenomena with the civil ones? Obviously, people question themselves. For example, in November 1986, a crew (three people) of Japan Air Lines which flew over the North Pole saw a 80 meters length mothership (vessel-mother) from where small vessels flew away. Two radars on the ground also recorded it and the pilots - who were twenty years old of flight - asked for the authorization of change road, which is delicate since for this place, the air routes are mainly reserved for defense. All the three swore that they had seen their own eyes this trick monstrous. And that arrives tous.les.jours, everywhere in the world. In Peru, lately, a spaceship was crushed on a motorway, 90 people saw it and nobody speaks about it. Libé. - Which should speak about it? R.T. - the government. But if we had the proof that a higher intelligence observes us, one would park ourselves anywhere and the policeman would have beautiful statement "vous do not have the droit", it would be enough to answer him "je you emmerde, there is a higher intelligence which us observe". Even thing with the priests, why confess worse crimes to seek the discharge whereas a higher intelligence does observe us? Libé. - Why don't you make like David Vincent? R.T. - I never yet met invaders, but some met them, those which were removed. They already testified in books. Me also, I write a book in this moment to contribute to make known the invaders. Believe me, all these stories are true ! ".
Nostalgia when you hold us :
The series worship "Les Envahisseurs", diffused the first time in France on the chain of public television as from September 4, 1969, will cause many Ufologiques vocations, of which the author of these lines...
Curious chance, during this same period, appeared the remarkable work of the friend Guy Tarade entitled "Soucoupes Volantes and Civilizations of In addition to-Espace", with the Editions "J' have Lu", France. A book which did not take a wrinkle, to recommend highly. There too, a whole generation will discover these mysteries documented well thanks to the friend Guy, of which your narrator... In December 1969, Guy Tarade will take part in a debate televised on the UFO, in the mythical emission "Les Dossiers of Ecran", on the chain of French public television!
And then, strange wink of the destiny, here what Francis Valéry in his guide of the téléfan says to us, editions "Car nothing has importance", published in 1992, in connection with this episode n° 33 of the "Envahisseurs", heading "Action of Commando" :
" The Invaders try to take the control of Mace Publications *; it is the first act of a vast plan consistent with régenter information at the national level. William Mace, director-founder of this true empire of press, agree to listen to David Vincent when it discovers that its company is indeed the object of attacks of unknown origin. ".
"Mace", like my name of familly!...
Very in a friendly way,
Christian Macé
Hi there,
Thanks for the reply phil.
A while ago we discussed a new series or film of The Invaders and talked about a possible sidekick for Roy or replacement who currently out there working would fit the bill. There were a few good but obvious actors mentioned, but now we have what i believe to be some very credable contributors to this page, i would love some possible suggestions...I'm going away to really think about it and will post when i come up with someone i consider worthy....
Hi Lindsay,
Sorry i couldn't reply via your personal address but my computer won't allow me to send it that way at the moment. I think your ideas would be very interesting if they were done properly and i can see your logic in Ben Affleck.
One things for sure, you couldn't beat the original so i think trying to make a present day copy would be a waste of time. Something altogether more quirky and frightening would i believe be the best way to approach it. Perhaps a kind of David Lynch style would serve up the best atmostphere and bring it up to date. This would definately allow a convincing framework for Roy to reappear as David Vincent once again..yeh i can see it now, even the same music but slightly warped....using an actor that perhaps no one has ever heard of picked by Roy Thinnes who would work as a consultant for the show as well as the star..
hi jamie,
One actor I can think of who would make an unpretentious DV is Boston native Dennis Leary..
He's been in many movies and tv shows (check imdb.com) Essentially he always portrays a
blue-collar worker, everyday-guy, which is actually what he is in real life. Whether he believes in UFOs and aliens I do not know, and of course Roy was a believer from the start..But in any event, IF there was ever a remake of "the show" either for tv or a movie,
the protagonist (DV) could never be a 'glamour-boy' actor---he would only be believable as
an ordinary guy thrown into a 'nightmare that has already begun'.
Any requests for DOOMSDAY MINUS ONE notes?..
Alan--my off-site e-mail to you
Was a letter FOR YOU but as you can now see I got the right e-address but messed up on
it being to 'YOU' or another poster here...But "capiche", yes? your friend jim
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